i learned from don davis. >> your editor. i had the good fortune of work in a leadership role at avenue when the outcome is decided to step into the race. at the point at which michelle obama -- where there was a turn and she said they became coming in a comment the black woman shaking her knack. she was doing a story with ebony and i interviewed her and we had a half-hour. last question is always is there anything you have to tell me? and she said yes. she said i want you to come to chicago, what in the street i grew up on interview my mom and my friend. because of what you have done. it is clearly more than her. she doesn't stand a strong as she does and what could be considered a powerful and clear and grounded and is so great you've created this book to tell this incredible story. i am wondering, did she know if this history before your unearthing a? >> it was news to her. a ladder that was new. we had written an article in "the new york times" about melvina and adolphus. this is the first time she had heard of them. she